Comments on: How the Port Wine benefício system works

By: quevedo

quevedo — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:07:00 +0000

Hi Angeliki, the trading of Port production rights without the grapes is not legal. The licence to produce Port has to come with grapes, regardless whether the seller is a Douro wine producer or just a grape grower. Regarding the fact that it sounds unrealistic for the IVDP to do this every year, actually, that only had to do the classification based on the 12 criteria once. And they will need to do it every time someone replants that same plot. But they use the same data every year. In the end, if no new plantation was done, there would be no changes in the classification of the vineyard apart from being one year old (and this can, at some time increase a grade of classification as the older the vineyard the more points it gets). Hope this helped!

By: quevedo

quevedo — Fri, 20 Oct 2017 22:07:00 +0000

Hi Angeliki, two interesting questions. Yes, if he sells the rights and grapes to another company he won’t be allowed to make Port. Regarding the question about the G, H and I letters, not necessary, as the system is based on red grapes grade. The white grapes tend to be better from higher altitude, this means lower grades, so it is possible to make great white wine from lower grades. This is a part of the system that was thought for red only and needs to be fixed.

By: Angeliki Tsioli

Angeliki Tsioli — Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:16:00 +0000

What happens if a grower sells his beneficio rights to another grower or company? He is then not allowed to make port from his own grapes, but he may make still Douro wine, right? Independantly from the grade A to F of course.

Then, the grades after F (G, H and I) are actually never or rarely given the chance to make any Port at all, right? Does that mean that the quality of the Douro wine made from these grades is the lowest?

Thanks in advance

By: Julien

Julien — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:17:00 +0000

Hi Oscar
Ok, so the sell of grap have a determined price.
But I think merchant buy finished wine too. For this wine IVDP doesn’t chose a price like for graps.
Am I right?

Last question, 2-2.20 euros, is it for 1 kg of graps?

Thank you again for your help!

By: Oscar

Oscar — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:44:00 +0000

Hi Julien, yes, grapes from different grade parcels trade at different prices. “A” grade is the most expensive, with prices varying from 2 – 2.20 euros. The IVDP has no vineyards, they just control, certify and determine the volume of Port produced every harvest. All decisions taken by the IVDP apply to all producers.

I hope I’ve answered all your questions. Let me know if you have more.

Oscar

By: Julien

Julien — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:20:00 +0000

Hi.
I worked these days and I found quite a lot of informations.
But I have got even more questions than before!
In order to not take too much of your time I’ll ask only ones which are linked with Beneficio.
Moreover, it could be a fine source of informations for others readers.

So,
A parcel “A” can only produce 2044L/ha. It’s really the weakest I saw. Especially because I saw grape grower have really little territory.
Is the price of grapes from each parcel category free? can you give me an exemple of how much a liter is selling ?I saw IVDP have parcels too, and that they can sell grapes. Is it their main source of revenu?or does a system of subscription exist? When ICDP makes a decision, that is what is required for the entire sector?Thank you!

By: Julien

Julien — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:19:00 +0000

Hi.
Thanks a lot for your such an quick answer and for proposing your help!
I will continue my research and try to make order in the huge number of documents I have in french, english or portuguese…
Then I ‘ll probably ask you a few question at one time in order waste too much of your time!

Thank you again.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:55:00 +0000

Hi Julien, thank you for your nice comments! The IVDP decides every year the quantity of Port Wine that can be produced from A to F grade parcels. So the production per hectare is similar for all A parcels. The grape grower can then decide if wants to make himself Port Wine or if he prefers to sell the grapes to a co-op or other companies, which must be located in the Douro.

Let me know if you have any other question.

By: Julien

Julien — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:27:00 +0000

Hi.
First I have to thank you for this brillant website which is quite understable, even for a french student like me.
I have a few questions the beneficio system. In fact, if I have understood, l’IVP controls quantity of wine every parcels can produce. But IVP doesn’t decide which price graps can be sold. Am I right?
Then, for exemple for a parcel A: a wine grower can produce 2043 L for each parcel A ? And then he can decide to sell it to companies in Gaia or sell it to a cooperative or produce his own Port?

Sorry for my poor english. And thank you to make me understand better this beneficio system which is very complicated for strangers!

By: Oscar Quevedo

Oscar Quevedo — Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:25:00 +0000

My pleasure Rui!